'Any Progressive Presence of Women Shakes the Power of this System'

ifa: On 8 March, International Women’s Day, women around the world take to the streets to fight for their rights. Does this day also play a role in Iran?

Forouhar: Yes, absolutely! Everything that has to do with demanding equality has a symbolic essence on this day. Women take advantage of this and have been organising meetings on International Women’s Day for years even though, time after time, participants are arrested. In addition to that, women have organised regular campaigns on 8 March. For example, two or three years ago women met in the metros, singing, congratulating each other and casting off their headscarves.

ifa: How did you get the idea to use the topic of suicide artistically?

Forouhar: The idea for the work arose as early as 1997. I come from an oppositional family. My parents, who fought their whole lives for democracy and the rule of law, were murdered by the Iranian secret service in 1998. They were editors of oppositional news bulletins that, at the time, they sent via fax. I was already living in Germany then and was just starting my artistic career. These news bulletins informed me of things that weren't allowed in the official image of Iran. Again and again, I read about women who had taken their lives.

'I’m frequently prohibited from exhibiting my work.'

ifa: You have been living in Germany since 1991 and your work is internationally renowned. Have you also shown 'Domestic Suicides for All Seasons' in Iran?

Forouhar: In 2016 I wanted to produce multiples of the calendar through a gallery in Iran. I think multiples are an exciting format, especially for Iran, because people can acquire art for little money. But before the work could be completed, the police marched into the printer's and confiscated the print sheets. The publisher gave me the few copies that had been printed before the attack, those that he could save in an adjoining room. Essentially, the action failed because of censorship.

ifa: Does this happen to you often?

Forouhar: Yes, unfortunately, I'm frequently prohibited from exhibiting my work. In 2017 I was even brought to trial because of one of my works. The charge was blasphemy, but essentially it was directed against my political activism. I was sentenced to five years on probation.

'It was hard to bear the atmosphere of impossibility'

ifa: The same year you created the photo series The Grass is Green, the Sky is Blue, and She is Black. A person is moving gracefully down the alleys of an idyllic place, through nature and the rooms of an old monastery. What's the story behind this work?

Forouhar: I created the work during a residency in Stein am Rhein. The residency was really an experience because I suddenly found myself in this idyllic place. I lived in a little castle and saw this idyllic landscape out my window – green and very European. At the same time, one of those gruesome phases of the Syrian war was happening. Terrifying images of children gasping for air during chemical attacks on civilians circulated in the news. The contrast between the reality outside my window and the reality happening in the region where I'm from was simply unbearable.

At the time, a few women from Stein am Rhein met every Wednesday with a group of refugees, mainly women and children. There was cake, and the only common ground was knitting and sewing. I went to these meetings every Wednesday, and each time, I had the feeling I couldn't breathe. Everyone was making an effort, and yet failure lay heavy in the air. It was like trying to hug someone and always reaching into empty space. The people just didn't really connect to one another. Perhaps the ambivalence between this idyllic Swiss town and the people who were catapulted there from Syria was just too great. It was hard to bear the atmosphere of impossibility.

ifa: Why is the person in the images draped in a chador?

Forouhar: The floral silk material of the chador is very beautiful and is particularly vibrant. It leaves a beautiful essence in the room, like when painting with watercolor. But the covering also encapsulates an element of hiding oneself, of refusal. The figure in this work is an absolutely foreign figure. Beyond the gestures and the ephemerality of her presence, you see nothing of her. And yet, she appropriates the space as she skips through the beautiful rooms of the monastery or darts down the alleys – like a shadow, a spirit, with feet that don't touch the ground. It's this kind of presence, just being in a room and not being overlooked, and occupying a space also as a feminist act.

'In my opinion, it’s obvious that the opposition to this religiously-based, patriarchal system is female.'

ifa: Occupying a space, making yourself heard. What role do the protests of women in Iran play at the moment?

Forouhar: I think that any progressive presence of women shakes the power of this system. It's extremely important and inspiring – not just for women but also for the whole society wishing to emancipate itself from the Islamic Republic's machinery of religious patronization and oppression. The oppression of women is also a pillar of the system. Yesterday I read that an important religious Mullah in Isfahan said that God is against women riding bicycles. Just making such a statement! Perceived from a distance, it's laughable. But it shows how important it is for them to keep women under their control. That's why, in my opinion, it's obvious that the opposition to this religiously-based, patriarchal system is female. This is not a sociological conclusion but rather my explanatory approach, a lovely image and a lovely thought.